Detailed landing report

[Josh]

Just a quick question of a potential customer; does this program offer a detailed report of how the landing was performed, i.e. the airspeed at touchdown including vs in fpm and landing pitch angle?

Regards, Josh

[peter]

Hi Josh,

currently, the report is relatively short. It does include v/s but not the pitch angle; you can have a look at it under "Flight Log" in the user guide (p. 37 of version 1.7.0). You can also install the demo version and check it out for yourself. The demo version is fully functional but restricts you to a few airports only.

Having said that, the data you are asking for are recorded. One of our users recently suggested to extend the flight report and that may happen perhaps in version 1.8.0. The current version is 1.6.2, but release candidate 2 for 1.7.0 is already available here in the forum. It regularly happens that users have requests, and this interaction between users and developer has had a large impact on FSCaptain.

Cheers,
Peter

[Josh]

Thank you for the swift reply.

I am going to try the version 1.6.2 first, looks 1.7 is still "Beta"?

You say it is recorded, is there any way I can take a view of this data with some searching? Is this data recorded on TO, say the speed at which the aircraft rotated/ weight off wheels and the pitch angle on take off? (Noting (imminent) tail strike/ over-rotation in both cases if so, or derived from these numbers according to aircraft data)


Regards, Josh

[peter]

Hi Josh,

you can export flight data into a csv file, which can be read using Excel, for instance. This export contains the following data.

Airline,Logno,Seq,Status,PilotNo,ACType,ACID,Type,SRC,DST,ALT,Payload,PAX,Special,LoadTime,ETE,OutYear,OutDay,OutHour,LogOutMin,InYear,InDay,InHour,Min,Minutes,Code,SnapFlag,SnapVis,SnapWind,AvgTAS,AvgGS,ETERev,SnapCeil,SnapDist,AltMins,Fault,LogDamage,MaxHead,MaxG,MinG,LandSpeed,Violations,Comment,MaxTurb,Check,FaultAlt,FuelBurn,Arrival,Service

I realized that the (horizontal) velocity during landing is not in this log, so you wouldn't be able to extract the pitch from these data. However, it is well possible that Dutch or Travis would be willing to add this feature. As I wrote before, often users want a particular feature. Depending on how difficult it is to implement it, the feature may be added within just a few days. Ultimately Dutch or Travis will have to reply to the question whether pitch can be included, but I would be optimistic.

1.7.0 is already a release candidate, so you may say it is public beta. Our beta team has already eliminated a lot of problems, I would expect that 1.7.0 RC2 runs as well as 1.6.2 and it has quite a bit more to offer (altitude restrictions, helicopter and water strip support, customs for international flights ..)

Cheers,
Peter

[Josh]

Than you Peter for the swift reply again. Going to try the 1.7 then and give it a shakedown, but I expect it will be what I am looking for.

With regards, Joshua

[Travis]

Hi Joshua,

We do track the landing airspeed & pitch, but we don't write it to the flight log.

However as of a few weeks ago we started noting them in the FCDU event log at landing - but that's for debugging purposes.

The pitch value is an odd one as you will see in the example here (it's the "P" value):

FCDU.GAU:: 22:13:44 ON V:-159, K:63, P:-100, L:02-SEP-15 06:03Z

I believe that it should represent 1 degree.

The airspeed ("K") is taken from the Avar AIRSPEED INDICATED.

We could definitely write these values at both takeoff and landing to the "Post Flight Event Report" that I'm planning for the next version.

AAMOF I've just added Pitch and Bank to the Flight Event Log function, so both will be logged at each "event" during a flight. You'll see that in the FCDU log when the release build comes out - hopefully next week.

I have high hopes for what the report will eventually offer when it debuts later this year. It should note if you land with too great a tailwind or crosswind, and many more interesting things.

[Joshua]

Ok, tried it after some time off, still no landing pitch in the final statistics. Such a shame. Plus no persistent aircraft, having to input all the fields every time again and again when I start it up. It's just really a shame after all this time. Tail strike? Naaah....

[Travis]

We need to modify the core LOG file structure to hold this data... which we have planned to do for FSCaptain 1.8.0 for the post-flight reporting.

But FSCaptain 1.7.3 will contain a readout of the Landing Pitch and Landing Bank values after a flight. They won't be recorded... but they will be visible.

Regards,

[j]

Hello, and the best of wishes.

Question, when are you going to introduce an end of flight report addressing data such as take off speed and pitch, vertical speed, en route speeds and climbs (power settings included?), landing speeds with power settings and vertical speeds with pitch? Maybe even throw these in some graphs that one can generate, just some of these would be great to start with? That would be really useful information to review and learn from after a flight.

Even just throwing in pitch... would be a start as requested more than two years ago. Your program is good, I lost my activation codes so I have to buy a new one ( in itself not so much of a problem) were it not that even now more that two years later you still haven't introduced the pitch reporting. This is what again is disappointing to me.

The best features that you supply for me are your system failures, and a (possible) good end of flight reporting. Few, if not any program can do this at present, but you seem to be moving on to many other projects and just neglecting this (really basic?) data.

Regards, Josh

[evolae]

I would like to have this extended report also, so count with my axe...(after interoducing a "import flight plan and read all the weights and times" feature...xD)

[evolae]

Jan 23, 2019 7:59:52 GMT -5 j said:

Hello, and the best of wishes.

Question, when are you going to introduce an end of flight report addressing data such as take off speed and pitch, vertical speed, en route speeds and climbs (power settings included?), landing speeds with power settings and vertical speeds with pitch? Maybe even throw these in some graphs that one can generate, just some of these would be great to start with? That would be really useful information to review and learn from after a flight.

Even just throwing in pitch... would be a start as requested more than two years ago. Your program is good, I lost my activation codes so I have to buy a new one ( in itself not so much of a problem) were it not that even now more that two years later you still haven't introduced the pitch reporting. This is what again is disappointing to me.

The best features that you supply for me are your system failures, and a (possible) good end of flight reporting. Few, if not any program can do this at present, but you seem to be moving on to many other projects and just neglecting this (really basic?) data.

Regards, Josh

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[Travis]

Hi Josh,

First, if you send Dutch and me your purchase details (your email, your purchase name, your vendor, your approximate date of purchase) we will see if we can find your registration details.
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I've long wanted a real after-flight report, as updating the Dispatch Release with OUT-OFF-ON-IN times isn't the greatest thing.

We need Captains to hold our feet to the fire of new features, so let's restart this now....

Now, while we do monitor most of these items (not power settings, as some third-party a/c have their own outside-the-simulator systems) we could make an after-flight report. But what would you want to see?

The first thing I would like to see is the planned route with planned speeds & winds contrasted with the actual route with actual speeds & winds.

I don't know everything I'd want to see in a Takeoff report or in a Landing report. It's obvious to record the Bank, Flaps, G-Force, Groundspeed, Pitch, and Vertical Speed at the transition moment, but what else would be useful? What about tracking the Max G-Force below 1000AGL? Anything else?

Anything that we monitor could be used to give a more detailed PAX Report - with more chances for Demerits (penalties) than Merits (bonuses).

Regards,

[skycamel]

Hi Josh,
if you would like basic landing statistics you can use the freeware FsRaas to be found on Avsim library.
After landing it will automatically give you most important stats.
Cheers,
Luc

[Travis]

I run FSRAAS 2.0 for all my flights, even if I'm in the Trike doing a "security check" at a newly purchased airport.

It's made for FS2004 and FSX, and uses its own copy of one of the MakeRunways runway data files. I know it works in P3D 2.5, and can only hope it works with P3D4.latest....

Its landing report appears as the "red text in green bar" across the top of your screen.

I've attached a composite screenshot from a flight I made last September where I had captured my "deep landing" distance. (And I did get a "Deep Landing" call-out from FSRAAS!) 

The landing speeds shown by FSRAAS is usually not too far off from what we capture as the initial landing speed.  (IIRC we don't count the landing speed after a bounce....)

Best,