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Post by charliealfatango on Jul 18, 2022 12:41:12 GMT -5
Greetings,
Anyone tried to land at TNCS (SABA)? It is a short runway (love the challenge). I am looking for an approach plan - preferablly for C172. The C208 is impossible; I couldn't get the aircraft to slow down.
any tip would be appreciated.
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Post by peter on Jul 19, 2022 2:55:21 GMT -5
Ah, Saba; consistently in lists of the most challenging airports in the world. I haven't landed there in a long time, but didn't find it too difficult in a simulator provided you use a STOL (Short Takeoff and Landing) aircraft. Most simulators do not simulate turbulent air around islands and mountains, and that's what makes real life landings more challenging. MSFS simulates it to some extent, and there is an addon (Realturb) for P3D and MSFS.
I believe the de Havilland Dash 6 "Twin Otter" is often used in real life for Saba. A C172 should work fine: it has a takeoff roll of 960', and the runway in TNCS is 1312' long. Just make sure you try to touch down as early as possible, so that you have enough runway left for slowing down. Touching down early is more important than the vertical speed during touchdown. Also, make sure you land into the wind (so, for wind coming from the East, use runway 12, for instance) and use full flaps. If you want to go easy, minimize payload and fuel; the lighter the aircraft, the slower it can go without stalling, and the better is its braking performance.
Peter
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Post by charliealfatango on Jul 19, 2022 9:24:02 GMT -5
I line up pretty well but when i get close to touchdown the aircaft behaves like it hit wall of wind and just goes all over the place. Couple of times I went to idle and thought I would glide in gently, but instead the c172 dropped like a stone with stall warnings and I smashed into the cliff. I did manage one good touch down, but the aircraft veered to the right and couldnt control it.
I think this one is more challenging than Paro (bhutan).
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Post by peter on Jul 20, 2022 0:40:05 GMT -5
Is that in FSX or MSFS?
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Post by charliealfatango on Jul 20, 2022 8:50:35 GMT -5
MSFS
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Post by Travis on Jul 20, 2022 23:01:30 GMT -5
Is it possible in MSFS to turn off all wind / wx and then to make some test approaches without the possibility of any wind effects from the very tall (nearly 800m) mountain less than 2nm from the near sea-level runway?? Maybe even turn the wx off, start there and do some touch-and-go practice? Best,
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Post by peter on Jul 21, 2022 3:50:03 GMT -5
I agree wit Travis. Use weather preset "Clear Skies" and see if that helps. I think there will still be some turbulence, but not so much that the plane would be uncontrollable. If I find the time, I will do that approach myself.
Peter
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Post by charliealfatango on Jul 21, 2022 15:48:30 GMT -5
Is it possible in MSFS to turn off all wind / wx and then to make some test approaches without the possibility of any wind effects from the very tall (nearly 800m) mountain less than 2nm from the near sea-level runway?? Maybe even turn the wx off, start there and do some touch-and-go practice? Best, There is, but no fun in that. I did manage a few landings, BTW MSFS sometimes shows winds to be 950kts yes nine hundred I had that yesterday at BIIS. My little 172 went all over and nose dived into the snow. For TNCS there are two things to watch out for, 1) the wall on the right, the wind hits it and either causes the aircraft to float instead of descent, or it pushes the tail away wildly. So you have to be ready for it. The second is the approach it self is at least 120 feet above ground, if you come in too shallow you will drop before the threshold and hit the threshold. A little higher also keeps the effect of the wall in check. Also keep your speed at least 10kts above stall.
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Post by Travis on Jul 22, 2022 17:32:47 GMT -5
I was thinking not of a solution, but of my mantra -- practice, practice, practice. Turn the winds off and make TNGs until you can hit the threshold without any effort... then dial up the winds until it becomes difficult. 950kts??? I would think that would shred the skin off most aircraft. To quote that grand sage Ralph Wiggums, "That's unpossible!" Best,
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